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James - Faith That Works by Emberblue James - Faith That Works by Emberblue
The book of James is full of practical wisdom for every day living. Some say that James (the disciple of Jesus) and the apostle Paul had opposing arguments on the requirements for salvation. Supposedly James stated that what a person does (their "works") contributed to their salvation, while Paul argues that salvation is by grace alone and nothing else.

This would appear to be a contradiction in the Bible. However, these seemingly opposing views actually work together. It's like James and Paul were fighting the same battle, back to back, just facing different foes. The "foes" being those who take grace to the extreme, and those who take works to the extreme.

The things that we do cannot get us into heaven according to scripture. Entrance into God's family is through the forgiveness of our sins which comes through a saving knowledge of Jesus, also known as "grace". However, the things that we do proove that we are saved because our actions are a natural result of a changed life. James stated "I will show you my faith by my works." in James 2:18.

So, what is it? Faith OR works? Faith AND works? I think it is faith THAT works.



:bulletblue:References to some of the symbolism used in this image:

Wave: "If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him. But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind." James 1:5-6

Mirror: "For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was." James 1:23-24

Tongue, fire, and ship's rudder: "If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body. Indeed, we put bits in horses' mouths that they may obey us, and we turn their whole body. Look also at ships: although they are so large and are driven by fierce winds, they are turned by a very small rudder wherever the pilot desires. Even so the tongue is a little member and boasts great things. See how great a forest a little fire kindles! And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by hell. For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and creature of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by mankind. But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison." James 3:1-8

Grapes: "Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures." James 1:18

Grass and flower: "For no sooner has the sun risen with a burning heat than it withers the grass; its flower falls, and its beautiful appearance perishes. So the rich man also will fade away in his pursuits." James 1:11

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mychristlife Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2012   Photographer
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Emberblue Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks, I really appreciate it. If you ever post that article on here I would be interested in reading it. :aww:
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mychristlife Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2012   Photographer
Nice. And your image is absolutely right. A faith that doesn't work? What good is that? (James 2:20) I also wrote an article called "Putting Your Faith to Action" that goes exactly along your lines! A wonderful job representing the faith in Jesus Christ through art!
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tonyzhang88 Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
np, I love it :)
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Emberblue Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Thank you! :tighthug:
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tonyzhang88 Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
This is cool :)
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Emberblue Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks! This one was a lot of fun. :D
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UncommonLife Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2012
amazing design :)
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Emberblue Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks! :D I love the phrase too. But I can't take credit for it. :aww:
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kingdom-advancer Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Great gallery! I love the book of James so much and I love the phrase "faith that works." Right on! :w00t!:
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Emberblue Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks! I wasn't able to view it for some reason. But I'm honored that you would feature my artwork. :aww:
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Lhach Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2011
I featured it on my blog: [link] :)
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Emberblue Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks! :hug:
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SycrosD4 Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Impressive.
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freuddwyn Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
your welcome :hug:
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Tonythunder Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2011
your welcome :hug:
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Emberblue Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Thank you so much for your encouraging words! :tighthug:
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Emberblue Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks for the encouragement! :tighthug:
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Emberblue Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks so much! :tighthug:
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freuddwyn Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
awesome :D and i love your description and the meaning behind each object.
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That is very freaking stunning! Amazing job on all the details and effects here! :iconclapplz:
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fantastic job! Keep it up!
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dont say thanks the pleasures mine, wow!
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Emberblue Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Thank you so much for your words of encouragement. :aww: My desire is that God would be glorified through the talent He has given me. He did so much for me, it is the least I can do in return. :love:
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Emberblue Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
You are very kind. Thanks! :tighthug:
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Lukedesignz Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2011
wow!:D this work is truely awesome man:D i love it!:D
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Gherbs Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2011
this work is awesome. I can see God's artwork through yours and is truly is blessed.

..what I'm really awestruck with is on your ideas and opinions and faith. inspiring
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Emberblue Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks so much! :glomp:
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Destinati-A-Perdersi Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This is so cool! Great job :D
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Emberblue Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
:D
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swandundee Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
i was inspired by this one too, [link] brilliant artist.
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jonah-onix Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
no problem... :earth:
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Emberblue Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
I agree. Paul and James were not contradicting each other. The reason I said it "appeared" to be a contradiction in the Bible is because alot of people see it as a contradiction, when in fact it is not. I think you and I are on the same page. :)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! :hug:
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jonah-onix Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
I'm a Christian too and I respect your descriptions but, are u sure that Apostle James and Apostle Paul were contradicted each other, about the requirements of salvation?... You will know the side of Apostle Paul if you try to read the whole books that he have written. If you notice, all the books are messages and teachings of Apostle Paul to the Christian Churches who were believers, and already saved in every places like Rome and Jerusalem.
They are saved... why? because they did already the three steps or requirements of salvation. And what is that?
Answer is: B.R.B.
Believe
Repent (work of faith)
Baptize (work of faith) - Even Apostle Paul baptized for his salvation. (Acts 9:18)
- to wash away our sins (Acts 22:16)

And as long as they are saved, the Holy Spirit is working in them. The Church is like the body and Christ is the head, each of them must work according to their gifts which is given by God (Col 1:18). The Church already know the doctrines of salvation that Apostle Paul delivered to them (1 Thessalonians 2:15). He don't need to teach the requirements but to teach on how to preserve the gift of salvation which received by them from God (Ephesians 2:8).

So... about Apostle James, his teachings is not opposing Apostle Paul's. He tend to preach and teach not only in believers but also in unbelievers too, that were not yet saved. That's their main goal, to save all of us through Christ, and to know the truth. :earth:
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Emberblue Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
Thank you. :aww:
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Spookex Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2010
Your take on reading Bible is revelation driven,
apparently. And it's awesome.
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ThreeWoes Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2010
LOL :)

No worries .... just, good rule of thumb .... if God says, "give 2 mg epinephrine once, wait five minutes, then give it again" ..... just do that lol :) Don't spike it with potassium or other drugs you think will help, sometimes the opposite effect happens ;) lol :)

I mean, I know you're just trying to be helpful by being positive, and I appreciate it :) But Santa Claus isn't real, and never comes down the chimney. He's too fat anyway.

But those gifts still come from somewhere, somehow, someway, you know what I mean? So the gifts are real, they just don't come from wishful thinking about flying reindeer. I've never seen them fly yet ... but you never know.

In other words, hope is cool as long as it's based in reality. And if God said there was a reason to be hopeful, then great. But maybe god will tell you, "tell Trent there is no Santa Claus and all he has from here on out is tornados and hurricanes ..." .... I'd rather know upfront, you know? :) You're not doing me any favors by sugar coating anything lol :) God has told me to tell people they were going to die before, or that their lives were a lie, etc .... and the one's who listened benefited. The ones who didn't, well ... suffered hardcore because they chose to remain "positive" when it wasn't time to be positive. Ya know? That's horrible ... when you watch someone suffer after warning them straight from God but they don't listen. You feel so powerless.

There is an alternative though ... but it's rare. It's when someone gets between God and the person, fights God for that person. But that takes a special type of love. It takes a special type of love to basically be willing to take upon yourself all the consequences that another person deserves. I know you're thinking Jesus immediately ... but people do it sometimes. There is no greater love, right? But ... again, that is so rare that someone lays down their life for another. I mean, truly laying it down ... giving up their right to life, blessing, everything ... so that another may have it who might even waste it all. I'm not talking about physically dying. That is just one thing. I'm talking about living a sort of empty, void filled, living hell. Taking your birthright and giving it to another ... out of love, not out of desperation.

It's like clipping your own wings to be with men. It's similar to Jesus ....

Okay so now that we got the "god said" part out of the way, I feel better. Everything else now is semantics lol :)

How are you? ROFL :) And I'm Trent if I didn't say already ... nice to meet you :)
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Emberblue Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
Let me clarify. :) God told me that I am not the one to fix this situation, that He is the one who will work on you and with you. The part about hope was from me. :) Just offering a suggestion because it is something that has gotten me through. The hope that I will see His goodness, either in this life or in eternity. I don't know what is in store for you because He did not tell me.

I take it very seriously, I don't want to appear as saying "God said..." when He didn't say it.
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ThreeWoes Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2010
Hmm .... well then he better :)

Thanx for asking him. At least He told someone else about me :(

And did He tell you that what was coming was "good" ? Or are you just saying that lol :) No sugar coating missy !!! Believe it or not ... I'm really big on not "going beyond what was written" .... I know you're probably thinking the opposite lol :) But I apply that to when God speaks ... what He says is life giving, even if it's a simple thing. But I don't add to it .... that's hard when you add to it, cuz my words aren't the same as his :)

And thanx for the prayers, I guess :) lol :) At least you did ask the Physician directly :) Just .... no made up prognosis or false hope. If I'm getting ready to face more shit storm, then at least let me know that. That is one reason I'm not trusting God as much lately. What He calls "good" I call "hard growing and labor pains" :( Most of the time it seems :(

Anyway ..... thanx Emberblue. Hmm ....

:D :D :D
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Emberblue Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
Actually, I did ask Him. I asked Him a week ago. He told me that this one is not for me to fix, that He will take care of it. In the mean time I've been praying for you quite often. I don't know you, but I care. All that I can offer you is prayer and words of encouragement. In the position you are in you have to hold on to hope, you have no other choice. But it's a hope that does not disappoint. A confidant expectation of coming good...whether this life or the next.
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ThreeWoes Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2010
Sort of ..... symbolically yes .... in my own personal story Jesus died but hasn't risen again :)

I say sort of, because He actually has died and risen a couple of times with me lol :) That's what is so heartbreaking. But before it was different than this time. Before I trusted God with my soul, or my finances, or my faith, or a belief, or my heart. Like .... a few things at a time, here and there. At the time, I was giving all I had to give .... but, I just didn't have that much to give :)

But there came a point in time where I had much .... much that God had given me. And I placed it all on his betting table. Not by my terms .... I haven't laid out the terms. God laid them out. I had a small say in them, but he okayed every say I had. So they are His terms .... I haven't laid them out and demanded anything :) I only want God to do what he said He would do. That's it.

Now there is more on the line, because it's not just me. It's not all about me. It's about others as well. We all put our chips on his table, so to speak.

Imagine if God had never stopped Abraham when he was about to kill Isaac. That is where I'm at. My Isaac is dead.

Now ... as far as having a friendly discussion about beliefs, I know that is what you were doing ... but beliefs don't do me any good right now. Talking is like, what people do when they aren't in a crises. When you stop for a drink during the race .... but once you start racing again, there is no time for talk. When you are doing CPR on someone, beliefs don't mean squat. Beliefs go into action. When someone is having a heart attack .... having a friendly conversation about beliefs takes place once they are stabilized. But not during the heart attack. Not during the rape. That is when beliefs are put to the test ... during the action.

Power .... not talk ;) lol :)

I would have talked with you for hours months ago, and we could have compared notes and learned a lot from each other. But I need more than that right now. And I don't know what you could do to help me either .... do you have 20-100 thousand dollars to spare? :) I asked God what you could do ... did you ask God? lol So ask God .... directly. See what he tells you, directly. No second hand stuff ... but straight from the source. I've done so but I don't like everything he has to say. It's hurtful :( Maybe He will tell you something else. Ask him what should be done :) Tell me what He says.

And sorry if you got the wrong idea from me ... at first I was sort of just having a conversation, but once someone starts speaking on God's behalf about what He does and doesn't do, or can and can't do ... then I'm open to actually more than just conversation. Because people who know so much about god should be able to actually do something more than just talk ... and that's what I need. More than just talk. Usually, if all I have to offer the suffering is talk, I don't talk ;) lol :)

Okay ttyl ...... :heart: :D
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Emberblue Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
I understand that symbolically in your own personal story Jesus died but never rose again. Correct? He has been faithful in the past but it appears that this time, when it really mattered most, He was not. At least that is what I gathered.

I wasn't trying to convince you or anything. Besides, even if I tried to I don't think you would have it. ;) It sounds like you've laid out the terms that you expect God to meet and you are waiting for Him to meet them. I don't know that there is much I can do. :) My intention was not to argue you into seeing things the way I do, but to have a friendly conversation discussing why you believe what you do and why I believe what I do.

Is there anything I can do to help you any? :)
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ThreeWoes Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2010
Well I personally have no problem with evil or tribulations ... that's not what I'm talking about :)

But anyway ... take it easy, and nice talking with you. Your own personal beliefs might have been reinforced, but it didn't help me any lol :) Do you count that as a success?
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LibertyMeadows Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
ah okay. :)
(with "your" I meant your church's ministry.)
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Emberblue Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
Aww, bummer. I thought that you might have been speaking metaphorically, but I was hopeful that maybe you weren't. ;)

It seems like you believe that God does not always keep His promises. Either because He chooses not to or is unable to. And how can God allow evil to happen and not stop it? Why does God let bad things happen to me? Personally, the worst thing I could ever imagine happening to me would be rape. But if I was brutally raped, I would not blame God for not preventing it. I would blame sin and the person who did it to me. God did not promise to remove the evil in this world...yet. God does not always intervene and stop these kinds of things, but I do not believe that means He failed. He didn't promise to prevent every kind of evil, so how did He fail if He did not say He would do it? If you want the worst things in life to be prevented, it sounds like you are looking for heaven...but we aren't there yet. In the mean time we are here, living in an imperfect world where bad things happen to good people every day. The most of the 12 disciples were brutally killed for believing in Jesus. Why didn't God save them? And modern day martyrs?

For me this conversation has confirmed my beliefs even stronger in my heart. I believe it even more so. What God promised has come true, is coming true, and will come true. In this life we will have tribulations, but we need not fear because He has overcome the world. This life is short. Only 80 years or so compared to eternity. The horrible things that happen every day are a fulfillment of what He said would happen. I see His promises coming true all the time, all over the world.

I do sing His praises. I sing them with Job. "Though He slay me, yet will I praise Him." :)

It will be interesting to see how your own personal story works out, even though I will probably not see it. ;) You never know when that resurrection might come.
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Emberblue Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
No, this is not my ministry. This was a "logo" created for a client. :)
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LibertyMeadows Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
wow cool.
is this a flyer for your ministry?
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ThreeWoes Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2010
No I'm not really an Israelite ... I meant it metaphorically :) I actually used to live and work in Israel, but no .... I'm no Israelite :)

And no ... I'm not saying that if I disagree with God's actions or don't understand what is happening, that means God failed. I'm saying, if God tells me something is going to happen which doesn't .... and it's GODS RESPONSIBILITY .... then God fails. It's God's business. It's His role.

If I watch my kid get run over by a car, I fail as a parent. If I watch my neighbor rape my sister, I fail as a brother. I'm not being rude ... but this isn't rocket science. Saying that god doesn't fail over and over doesn't make it true. God's ACTIONS make it true. If we were discussing anyone other than God, you'd probably be agreeing with me. If we were discussing someone who raped your children or something, you would probably agree with me.

God became a man. Yes? He fell under the same judgement as men. Yes?

That is part of the blessing of knowing God and Jesus ... is ACCEPTING HIS SACRIFICE.

I've never understood why those who claim to believe in Jesus, don't accept his sacrifice. They don't make use of it. They are still turning to all these other ideas .... perfection of some ethereal being. Or some words spoken to prophets, etc. Jesus was the image we had, right? The first half of how we were to know God. Well ... Jesus hung on a cross bearing the punishment. He died. He rose from the dead .... yes? But for awhile, he was dead. He was in hell.

I think you are taking for granted part of the point of God being a human, and dying, etc and so forth .... If I loved someone, who wanted me to follow them, and trust them with my life, and my finances, and my family .... and they up and died on me .... in fact, they were charged like a criminal for being a false prophet and this and that. And then when they died, that was it .... no more miracles, no nothing. Just some heresay from others. And not only that .... but I had to go back to doing what I did before to earn money for my family which waited around on ME and trusted ME, etc and so forth .... I would logically, rationally, and HUMANLY think Jesus failed me. God failed me. It was all bullshit. I was no apostle. There was no rising from the dead. There was no point to the previous three years. Nothing.

Until I saw Jesus again that is.

I haven't seen Jesus again. Not since His death.

Get it?

Now ..... the words of the prophets and others, it's easy to look at them and learn from them. It's easy, because we can see their stories from their beginning to their end. We see David defeat goliath one day .... and then years later he's king. We read about his struggles, and the death of his child after raping Bathsheeba .... and we take for granted that we already know the outcome.

THAT is what I am saying are postcards. It's like reading about the marriages of others, and thinking that qualifies you to know what it's like to be married. It's not the same.

I have seen Jesus die in my life ..... I have not seen him rise from the dead yet. No ressurection. I have seen miracles, and this and that, etc. I enjoyed my versions of following Him .... my equivalents that others who have followed him in the past have experienced. And I have said the same things you have said. But it's so easy to say, until you truly watch Jesus die, like a criminal. And you wonder, "is he a criminal? Is he the one that was to come, or should we blow this shit off and wait on another? Does he actually rise from the dead? AFterall, this thing I've been hanging onto has been dead now for three years ... and it smells like rotted corpses".

I know the ending of all the other stories. So what. I have my own story. See?

You have your own story too. Yours involves whatever it involves. I am in a different place, that's all. I want to touch the wounds now with my own hands .... no more words. I need to eat a meal that Jesus cooks again .... not just hang onto my own memories or those of dead prophets. That is food at different points ... not this point ;)

I need the ressurrection.

Can you make my life rise from the dead .... and all the situations I am in? You probably could to some degree .... but it would be at your expense. Financially, physically, emotionally. The common Xtian answer is, "only god can do that," .... so let Him :). Let Him speak for Himself. Again ... I'm not trying to be rude, really ... but suppose you are speaking for god, speaking his truths ... then you should have the power to make whatever you say happen, yes? You would be like an emissary ... and envoy. If you say it, you can back it up .... financially, physically, etc. I need about 100,000$ to help pay for about fifteen people I know who are in a crushing situation. Some of them could use a little just to cheer them up. Others could use a lot to help put diapers on there kids. Some could use it to have working air conditioning in their house in this 103 degree heat, others could use it to get medications they need. I could use some as well for my own family so I don't have to quit a job to watch my kids since we've had three people back out. I could also use it to help a kidnap victim I know in New Jersey who is trying to go to school to make something of her life, etc.

I could also use a new heart. The emotional kind. I've given just about all I know to give of my time and finances ... and I'm spent :) I'm lonely and in need now ... I took every risk god told me to take in order to help some of these people .... and I did help them, but now they are all scattering like lambs to a slaughter. He needs to hold up his end of the bargain.

So if you're going to sing the praises of god while me and others are suffering .... I understand where you're coming from. Really :) It's not your responsiblity to help everyone who suffers in life. It's your freedom to pick and choose ... just like it's mine. That is part of the beauty of God ... he gives us freedom to worry about ourselves and a select few, rather than try to be god ourselves.

Which is precisely why I'm still here, waiting on god to not fail any longer. The finances are important to others, and me somewhat .... but god broke my heart when he died. He broke it, because I trusted him to ressurrect. And it's been awhile now.

Make him appear, come back alive and work his power over my promised land, and my life, and those who are linked to me .... and then I'll sing with you :) But I've given him all I know to give ... which has always worked out before, actually. But this time I trusted him with something more precious to me .... something he let die. And that death, has caused the death of all this other destruction ..... so it can be either corn seed spread out for more corn .... or it can stay barren and nothing more than rotted corn seed which produced squat.

I rambled there towards the end, but I think you got what I was trying to say hopefully :) With me, there is a time and place for semantics. The middle of a death, isn't one of them. The middle of a rape, isn't one of them. And when someone is screaming and yelling help, and bleeding out in front of you .... it's not one of them either. You perform CPR, stop the rape, put pressure on the wound .... feed the hungry, help the blind getting ready to be run over in the street ..... you get the picture :)

Nice talking to you too, btw :)
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Emberblue Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
Are you really an Israelite?!?! :) That is awesome!!! I feel blessed to talk to you. :D

This conversation can easily branch off into a much wider discussion that can go on for a while. Which I'm not opposed to.

I see what you are saying. This is my view on the topic: Jesus never promised me that life would be "good" or easy or the way I expected it to be, or that I would approve of what happened. But He did promise to give me the strength to overcome. And no matter what happens in this life, He has guaranteed my salvation, the next life. So in my opinion God does not fail. (As you probably already noticed from my signature, lol!). This life sucks, but the next life wont.

Are you saying that if you disagree with God's actions or don't understand what is happening that it means God failed? Just trying to understand you. :)
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ThreeWoes Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2010
No worries .... but you are probably right, we will probably never agree on this topic, because as you point out .... we know different gods lol :) My god isn't the bible, mine is the God of the bible though. Two big differences. One is like knowing a postcard and everything you see in it .... the other is living in that country, meeting the officials, knowing the people, etc. Know what I mean?

But I will point out that god failing doesn't mean god can't be perfect. God is still god, regardless. People fail all the time, but I still love some of them and believe in some of them. ULTIMATELY ..... I am hoping God will succeed. ULTIMATELY. Not just in my life, but also the afterlife.

This is another point to discuss concerning faith .... faith is the what isn't seen, right? It's what you hope for, but don't have yet so to speak. So, faith is different from fact.

Faith and fact are almost mutually exclusive. They can be related .... like, you have faith in something, and then it comes to pass becoming fact. It's no longer hope, it's a reality.

This is the difference between the postcard and the real world. The picture the bible paints is one of HOPE .... you are trusting it to convey realities. But they themselves aren't the reality. They are stories .... stories you were not present to witness, nor see with your own eyes. Like anything that you take secondhand.

Now when it comes to God .... the attributes you find mentioned in the bible concerning God .... if you haven't experienced them yourself, you are HOPING in them. When they become a reality, they are then fact. Until then it's faith.

I'm pointing this out, because of the difference between the two. Saying something like, "God is perfect because the bible says so," .... doesn't mean shit really. It doesn't, because I don't know that. It could change tomorrow. The last 40 days, perhaps God treated me perfectly .... but what if God starts doing things that I don't understand, agree with, etc? There comes a point, where some people stop making excuses for god, and trying to pump up his reputation with some of his old deeds that are assumed, OR ..... even making excuses for God based on things he's done previously in your life which are fact.

This is the crux of having a relationship, with ANYBODY. It is how trust is earned ... over time. It is proven, through action. Over time :)

If a stranger comes up to you, and says, "trust me ... here is why ... " there is no rule saying you have to believe him. His resume doesn't mean squat. You choose to trust him. And many have suffered that way .... many have become hurt.

Now lets say over time, he earns your trust. He goes from stranger, to friend .... to even a lover perhaps. Suppose you marry him. Then, one day .... he CHANGES. He starts making choices and doing things that effect you in ways you don't like or want. He apparently starts to lose your trust, etc and so forth.

Do you divorce him? Do you leave him? Do you question him? Do you talk to him about it?

Again ... it's part of a relationships. It is the reality of a thing, that's all. But just going off the bible .... is like pushing God's resume. I no longer need his resume, I need Him to go to work. And He has ... for me .... many times, in many ways. Don't be sorry God has failed me. God is god. I am DISAPPOINTED in God. But God failing me freed me up quite a bit actually ... it showed me the human side of Jesus ... the human side I needed to see. The side that isn't powerful, the side that is weak. The side that values a person above the truth .... values love above earning things. It showed me how god can love a bunch of hairless monkeys called people, when for all intent and purposes He should still be destroying them left and right :) I would, if I were God.

So God failing me ... I wouldn't consider it a normal family if I didn't experience God's words falling to the ground. BUT .... ultimately I hope they stand up. They just haven't. They have, in an underhanded and twisted sort of way with me. Not always, just ... right now. It's my path. That's all. I still have the HOPE .... but that hope isn't fact. Get it? I'm not walking around saying something is fact, when I don't know it for a fact. It's just a hope. Until then, as far as I'm concerned, God failed big time in this one way in particular .... the most important way to me personally. He's still God though. With or without me acknowledging it. And I still love god, in my way. I still have some trust for Him .... but he lost some trust from me. But ... I still have hope.

No amount of showing me God's resume will change that ... because I know the living breathing God. Not day old bread from 2000 years ago. I don't gain comfort from postcards that much anymore. I am in a promised land full of war and despair and blood. The postcard isn't as pretty as I was told. I'm an Israelite :)

ttyl ;)
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